’Willyloman’¹ is frantically trying to put an end to Senate bill S 1959, saying:
“S 1959 Will Label Us As Terrorists! Take Action to Stop It
THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ALERT: ”
And so on and so forth, but what’s all the hysteria about? Willy says:
“If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the govt. to declare ANYTHING they deem an “extremist belief system”, instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.”
Well, first of all, words and actions, indeed, are the medium of terrorist acts. Unless Willy knows of some sort of ‘psychic’ terrorism, which consists of nothing but the terrorist using his mind to inflict terror on his victims. Secondly, Willy claim that S. 1959
“EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH”
is just flat out wrong.
What’s the truth about S 1959? We’ve heard Willy’s interpretation, but, obviously, we should take a look at the bill itself.
I’ve hyperlinked references to the U.S. Code at Cornell Law’s website, as well as the Library of Congress. Also, I have linked the last two sections so as not to take up too much room.
S.1959
Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (Introduced in Senate)
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
- This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007′.
SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
- (a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Subtitle J–Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.
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- `(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission’ means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.
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- `(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
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- `(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
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- `(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs.
`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.
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- `(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be used to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
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- `(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
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- `(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
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- `(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
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- `(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
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- `(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.
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- `(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
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- `(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
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- `(9) Certain governments, including the Government of the United Kingdom, the Government of Canada, and the Government of Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.
`SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.
- `(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.
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- `(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf’ violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
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- `(2) The Commission shall, in cooperation with the Department, the Department of State, and other Federal departments and agencies, as appropriate, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in their respective nations.
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- `(3) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of–
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- `(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;
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- `(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and
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- `(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.
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- `(c) Composition of Commission- The Commission shall be composed of 12 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom–
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- `(1) 2 members shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;
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- `(2) 2 members shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;
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- `(3) 1 member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;
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- `(4) 2 members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;
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- `(5) 1 member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;
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- `(6) 1 member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;
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- `(7) 1 member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;
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- `(8) 1 member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and
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- `(9) 1 member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.
- `(d) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.
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- `(1) IN GENERAL- Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.
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- `(2) LIMITATION- Not more than 6 members of the Commission shall be from the same political party.
- `(f) Deadline for Appointment- All members of the Commission shall be appointed not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.
- `(g) Quorum and Meetings- The Commission shall meet and begin the operations of the Commission not later than 30 days after the date on which all members have been appointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutually agreed upon, on a date designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon the call of the Chair or a majority of its members. A majority of the members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold meetings.
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- `(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.
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- `(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.
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- `(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-
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- `(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may secure directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information (including classified information), suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.
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- `(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- Information shall only be received, handled, stored, and disseminated by members of the Commission and its staff consistent with all applicable statutes, regulations, and Executive orders.
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- `(i) Assistance From Federal Agencies-
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- `(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission’s functions.
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- `(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), a Federal department or agency may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.
- `(j) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.
- `(k) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.
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- `(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.
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- `(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order.
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- `(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION- The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.
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- `(2) STAFF EXPERTISE- Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields described in subsection (e)(1).
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- `(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.
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- `(4) DETAILEES- Any Federal employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of the regular employment of such employee without interruption.
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- `(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.
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- `(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS- Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the Government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.
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- `(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.
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- `(3) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS- A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.
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- `(4) VACANCIES- A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.
- `(o) Security Clearances- The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances, to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.
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- `(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report including–
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- `(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.
- `(q) Availability of Funding- Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.
- `(r) Termination of Commission- The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report under subsection (p).
`SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.
`SEC. 899E. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
`SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.
`SEC. 899E. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
Willy’s over imaginative claims such as:
If this becomes law, your words could be considered “promoting an extremist belief system”, and all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE) –FORCE by exposing CORRUPTION, CRIMINALITY against “THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, *****OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF” READ THE BILL MANY TIMES AND VERY CAREFULLY–YOU ARE THE TERRORIST (WHICH MEANS THEY CAN STRIP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, AND HAVE YOU TORTURED AND EXECUTED).
Are nowhere to be found in the text of the bill. Nowhere does it say that “exposing corruption,” and/or ”criminality” constitutes “force” or “violence.” The truth about S 1959 is that it will establish a commision which will locate and study elements of violent ideology in 21st century America. This is something that needs to take place, and I am confident that it will.
UPDATE: Willy attempts to rebut some of the criticism that he’s been getting.
Notice that it states clearly that this bill is designed for the purpose of “development and implementation of methods and processes…” not just a study, but also the processes that will come from the study to remove the perceived “threat”. And of course, who decides what is a “threat” and what is not?
‘‘(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION.-The term ‘violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.”
“Adopting or promoting…” that is very dangerous language! Have you “adopted” an extremist belief system? Have you promoted one?
What do they consider an “extremist belief system?
Willy, ‘they’ have defined those terms already. I know you have a copy of the bill, why don’t you read the whole thing before jumping to conclusions. If you don’t preach or advocate violence or the use of force this bill does not apply to you.
UPDATE 2: It looks like I gave old Willy too much credit for this one. The original source is this !!!Ron Paul supporter, and apparently some folks don’t mind spreading unsubstantiated rumors on the internet, even if they originate in the twisted minds of troofers.
I really hate troofers.
¹Willyloman is a ‘progressive’ commenter on ThinkProgress, and he is a good friend of our old buddy (a)(c)(e) aka plunger.

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CNN has just refered to MoveOn.org as American Insurgents and during the opening statement before the House subcommitte about the house version of this bill, the man testifying about the need for this bill mentioned the ‘conspiracy theory sites” before even talking about the Jihadists sites, as the reason for needing this bill.
The committee will study the “problem” of such sites, and then make recomendations to fix the “problem”. Some people value our right to free speech and some don’t. I happen to be in the first camp.
And who is (a)(c)(e)? And I don’t comment at TP anymore except for the one Sibel Edmunds thread they had that someone told me about.
Batting a thousand today, huh, Mr. P?
CNN is not a Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States.
He mentioned propaganda sites that blamed groups of people, IIRC, the joos, for 9/11.
You have the right to free speech. But if you advocate violence against a group of people, you will be held accountable. Just like real life, the advocating violence on the internet will have consequences, because it has been and is being used to organize violent acts and spread propaganda.
Oh you’ve got to be kidding! You know perfectly well who a.c.e. is!
How many times have you advocated violence against certain people, Mr. P? Here or on TP?
And yes, it IS being used to spread “propaganda”. Is Malkin still hiding in the bushes outside of children’s homes?
Are you talking about “ace”? What are you now trying to equate me with his anti-Israeli lobby posts? That’s so pathetic Mr. P. You used to put so much more work into your slanders.
You have blogged back and forth with ace much more than I have, and i don’t even hang out at the “progressive” TP site anymore. Unlike, you o, Mr. P. You can change your name, they they all know you there.
CNN is a mouth piece for this administration, just like Fox Noise is. They are already working the media to create this very same kind of concensus for Americans, like yourself, to hand over yet another right. No they are not the “Center for Excellence” but they are helping them do their work, now aren’t they?
And it seems to be working just fine on you.
I still do. Didn’t you see this:
http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/screen-shots-of-toiletpaper/
It took almost 20 minutes to get those screen shots just right. Gimme a break.
I still say that your assertions about S1959 are unfounded. Read SEC. 899C. (c), the Commission will be comprised of a diverse group of people, politically speaking. I think it even says that no more than 6 members of the 12 person Commission can be of the same party.
Unless you think that both parties are out to git ya’!
Well, do ya’?
“If you don’t preach or advocate violence or the use of force this bill does not apply to you.”
Actually, this bill doesn’t apply to you even if you do “preach or advocate violence or the use of force”. All it does is establish a commission to study something. This bill is harmless. As for the hypothetical bill that will use its recommendations, remember that it won’t even be written until the Neocons’ chokehold on Washington is broken.
Scared Willyloman!
It’s to see the hate spewed by the Leftist/Islamic/Neo-Nazi/Paleo-con alliance!
I would say that the bill is, in fact, helpful. However, there is a potential for abuse in the area of appropriating funds, but that is true of every commission.
Yeah good point.
I can think of a better idea.
To investigate the source of funding for Islamic and Leftist organizations.
Koservo says “Unless you think that both parties are out to git ya’!”
Still believe in the “Democrat vs Republican” fairy-tale huh?
And I thought you were smarter than that.
“To investigate the source of funding for Islamic and Leftist organizations.”
See? It starts already. Makes us pit one against the other based on a fantasy divide. “Leftist”. You know, leftists are Aericans too, don’t you? They just disagree about how to approach governing. So they should be “observed”? By the same people that lied to get us into war and politicized the justice department?
Come on. Even you guys can see the potential for disaster there.
willyloman ,
Well Leftists support Islamic causes.
It’s a strange alliance.
ROTFLMFAO!!!
Willy, this bill will set up a COMMISSION that will locate and attempt to control the spread of extremist propaganda, and, yes, extremism is defined in the bill.
Please read the bill, Willy. Unless you are advocated some kind of violent or forceful means to further your own agenda (and I’ve only seen you do so once or twice) then you will be fine.
Konservo’s right, Willy. Unless you have something to hide there’s nothing in this bill worth complaining about.
Your ToiletPaper posting is unbelievable, Konservo. (I’m catching up on reading)
Thanks, CT. Good to hear from you, I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving, and if I don’t hear from you before Christmas, Merry Christmas!
Konservo,
I appreciate the well wishes. Merry Christmas to you too!
Since this part of the year is typically downtime, I have a recent topic for which I’m interested in contributing. I know I haven’t posted in months, so this will be a good opportunity to catch up. As I can tell, this blog has been gaining some good luster in light of many insightful postings.
I’ll get a start on my latest posting as early as today.
Good day, P!
Cool, CT. Keep me posted!
Even if you do preach violence or threaten to use force, this is not the bill that they will charge you under. ever. this only sets up a commission. the definitions willy is afraid of only apply to the commission and this section of the homeland security act of 2002. Idiot. Total idiot. Go find a rock to be afraid of, you’d serve the world better.
Konservo says “Willy, this bill will set up a COMMISSION that will locate and attempt to control the spread of extremist propaganda, and, yes, extremism is defined in the bill.”
A “COMMISSION”? Oh, I get it now… a COMMISSION can’t do anything… that’s soooo right!
And I did read the bill, long before you did, Kons.
(pssst. every heard of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee? They were set up for pretty much the same reason. To root out the causes of Communist sympathizers here in the US back during the Red Scare days. A little history would go a long way for you Konservo. And certainly your ditto head friends)
Affraid? Who the hell is afraid? the guy who stands up for his liberties and the right to free speech for all, or the little cowards who cringe under their newest father figure president and point crooked fingers at the scary “terrorists” just because they are “different”? oooooo scary different people…….
“a COMMISSION can’t do anything…”
This commission has the authority to hold hearings and look at classified documents. That’s about it.
Willy,
I’m worried that you’re going to become the victim of a self-fulfilled prophecy. You freak out over a commission that is going to study the spread of violent ideologies, but, at least from what I’ve read on your site, you don’t expouse anything of the sort.
However, I’ve seen some of your recent posts and they seem to be escalating in terms of talking about perceived threats. If you start advocating taking action by means of force and/or committing acts of violence because you’ve freaked yourself out, then, you would be someone who disseminates what the bill describes as violent ideology.
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