[DISCLAIMER: In no way do I endorse extremist writing, the BNP, or any other parties which hold anti-Semitic, racist, fascist, neo-Nazi, or any other disgusting views which can be found on the MPACUK site and Lionheart's site. While it is true that Lionheart has a legitimate concern about Islamic terrorism in Britain, I feel he goes too far. And while it is true that there is, for sure, hatred toward innocent Muslims in the UK, I feel the MPACUK goes too far as well. However, Lionheart is a lone blogger, MPACUK (Muslim Public Affair Committee UK) has much more influence. Check out the lead article on MPACUK's website today. They are advocating aggressive jihad in Britain. This is a clear violation of the law under which Lionheart is being arrested.
This post is about the dangerous double-standards in Britain, and the absurd manner in which the Racial and Religious Hatred Bill is being implemented.] – 1/6/2008 4:49pm
UPDATE: Some have expressed doubts as to the extent of Lionheart’s involvement with and or support of the BNP and Nick Griffin. Well, a simple search of his blog for “BNP” should answer any questions regarding this contention. If Lionheart has removed these posts in an attempt to cover up his true feelings, don’t worry I’ve saved them to a PDF file:
http___lionheartukblogspot-bnp.pdf
konservo, 1/12/08
A blogger with the name ‘Lionheart’ is on his way back to Britain to be placed under arrest by British detectives. His crime? Allegedly violating sections 18(1) and 27(3) of a House of Commons Racial and Religious Hatred Bill. I encourage all to read it. Lionheart faces jail time for writing about Muslims on his blog. In his own words:
Who have I killed, who have I threatened to kill? No one, all I have done is written about my reality on a computer screen, and now I face going to prison in my own country for standing up for myself and others.
What has happened to those who threatened my life or who have killed my friends – NOTHING – This is British justice in the 21st Century – Shove your British Labour justice because it is worthless to the Englishman whose country this is, whose country you have destroyed.
Peruse Lionheart’s blog: http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
I’ll admit, he says “Moslem” where I would say Islamist. But I don’t see any misinformation from my readings so far.
Now, remember our good buddies at MPACUK? You remember…
they are CAIR’s UK counterpart who called for a man-hunt for the evil Sufi traitors…
Yeah, well, they are unapologetic to say the least. An excerpt from a follow-up post:
Members of the website may know that MPACUK is non sectarian and we often attack Mosque and student so called emirs for their almost racist addiction to sectarianism. Often they are so drunk on their hatred of the sect down the road that they cannot see any of the major political attacks happening right under their own noses. The author of this article knows all too well the idiocy that these cults instill in their adherents,since I was one of them for many years. At any and every opportunity I would argue over some stupid minor point of fiqh – unable to see the greater evil of hatred of Islam being spread by Zionist hate preachers.
That does not mean MPACUK does not itself hold to account various sects ourselves. Holding them to account over their sheer stupidity. We have held to account adherents of Tablighi Jamaat for having a fixation on trouser and beard length while never lifting a finger to stop injustice and oppression and Shia groups for their constant moaning about ‘Karbala’ when every single day they witnessed another Karbala and did nothing about it.…
I myself have written articles in the past attacking many Salafi’s naming them ‘Cave Muslims’ because they were so ignorant in their pointless bickering over the tiniest of matters. However we have to be honest, it may have taken them years but at least now we can name a number of groups who are at the forefront of fighting against oppression. Cage prisoners is a well known example of a group of Salafi’s who are now well known amongst Muslims for standing up for them. Yes in the most they are still useless but they are reforming, can the same be said of one single Sufi group in the UK that is known across the UK for doing the same?
The fact is Sufi leaders, scholars and adherents should be ashamed of themselves. Whilst they sit on secluded hills pretending to get close to Allah, when all around oppression and evil spreads across the world, where Muslims are arrested and forgotten as they rot in Jail, women are tortured and children shot for nothing more then throwing a stone in Palestine. [Compare this to Lionheart's concerns about radical Muslims. - konservo]How can anyone claim this is following the Prophets PBUH example? Does any Sufi really believe that the Prophet PBUH would abandon the Jihad against oppression and sit around making excuses that he was seeking Allah by repetitively repeating his name and going off on spiritual holidays?
Yes he did BOTH! The inner Jihad strengthened the external Jihad …those who did only one (the spiritual one) were called Hypocrites! [So much for the "Inner Jihad" excuse. Lionheart has good reason to be worried about these fanatics. - konservo]
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In fact in every single case where Muslims are attacked the majority of Sufi leaders and their pacified adherents will spend more time in Tasawwuf then they ever will in standing and protecting the Ummah or the Oppressed of this world. Do you remember any Sufi group doing anything as politicians and Media people attack you daily? As Millions of Muslims suffer due to Britain’s foreign policy?
The question is why not? If you can answer that – you will realize, that something very wrong is being taught by Sufi groups. Something that makes the vast majority of Sufi’s pacified in the face of tyrants. Would it be right of MPAC then to be silent on this issue?
So the question is: WTF, Britain?!
Why go after Lionheart and not MPACUK?
34 Comments
Great post on this. We will fight for Lionheart! The ‘Bushies’ would never advocate these legal shenanigans but some of the PIAPS people and Dhimmicrats do and would.
This ‘Racial & Religious Hatred Act’ is a load of crap. Hopefully it will be scrapped someday when the lawyers start being pressured to use it against Islam’s obvious and much more virulent hate speech.
This planned arrest is terrible news for Lionheart, Britain and the world.
Probably the Luton Pakistani Muslim Heroin and crack gang (which is also involved with forcing non-Muslim teen girls into sex-slavery) who he has helped expose pressured the dhimmi pigs to arrest him.
Too many in the dhimmidiot government in Britain are pathetic and corrupt.
The EU is showing itself to be very evil in practice as well as most misguided and extremely stupid and ignorant of reality.
This suppression of free speech will actually cause more violence and hatred of course.
This case will also serve to educate the masses even more about the evils of Sharia and the importance of standing up to Islam.
This must be made very public, we should all tell all our friends about this. Spread the word! God bless Lionheart, I believe he will prevail.
The lawyers on the Right MUST be supported to start fighting this BS more.
Both ‘The Left’ and ‘The Right’ should be ticked off about this.
We should tell all the Radio Gods about this. Maybe they’ll rant about it on their shows.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw most bloggers
license all the rest
monitor their writing
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
eliminate FREE speech
the truth may not be spoken
if criminals are exposed
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense
exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe loves
corrupt politicians
offer immigrants welfare
get their votes to keep your jobs
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
be traitorous garbage
just destroy your country
screw your great-granddaughter
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http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
http://haltterrorism.com/
http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
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I know. This is really getting absurd.
Thanks for stopping by, uspace!
The following is an excerpt from LionHeart’s blog:
He’s effectively calling for the genocide of the Pakistani-British community, indeed, possibly of all Muslims. Also, note that he is not just concerned about “radical Muslims,” he states that “every Moslem living in the Dar al-Harb views the territory as a war zone for Islam and have to fight on every level until Islam is victorious and the rule of law of the land is converted over to Islamic rule.”
While I am ambivalent about the Racial and Religious Hatred Bill, this guy is a poster child for it.
BRAVO SERGEI, BRAVO!!
Are you in the running to become the first dean at UC Berkeley while still a student? Because I think you’re headed there!!!
Sergei,
When I started reading that I thought it was an excerpt from the Qur’an!
You’re right it is extreme, but if this guy is going to be thrown in jail, why does MPACUK get to spew the very same ridiculous nonsense about “Zio-Con Sufi traitors” who don’t jihad:
What Lionheart says about the Caliphate is true, according to MPACUK… so, why is he being singled out for explaining Islamic doctrine in layman’s terms?
Sergei,
I’ve added a disclaimer because I wasn’t being clear, thanks for bringing that up. The point I want to make is essentially: Why go after Lionheart and not MPACUK?
But I do not endorse everything on Lionheart’s blog.
Lionheart does seem to be, as the British say, a nutter.
He does seem to be advocating a defensive war against Muslims.
The Christians and Jews and blah, blah blah.
The Templar Knights? Oh my God!
That being said, he’s one blogger.
ps.
His cause doesn’t help this American, by looking like a skin-head.
vermontdave,
Why didn’t you read the MPACUK site?
http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/zio-neo-con-nazis-defraud-and-lie-against-peaceful-peace-loving-british-muslims/
What are you, Islamophobic?
Mr.P
Advocates of any clap-trap belief in the bogeyman will always earn my disdain.
I do believe that socio-economic conditions fuel this sort of thing.
I grew up in Connecticut in the 80’s.
The small urban ghettos where unemployment was staggering had an effect on the community.
There were places that, as a white person, I couldn’t go.
In the town that I grew up in, if a car full of black kids was spotted by the police, they would be detained and told to leave (that happened to some dudes who were coming to a party. They were from a neighboring town, but the police decided they weren’t welcome. They’re only problem was that they were black.)
I’ve never lived in a community with a large Muslim population, so I don’t know if that is a good comparison. Around Burlington, the people who identify as Muslim are mostly from Bosnia, and they make great food.
peace
vermontdave,
The MPACUK are advocating a man-hunt for “Sufi traitors,” Sufis are Muslims as well, but of a smaller sect then the mainstream. MPACUK appears to Sunni.
And as you can see above, where I have highlighted, MPACUK is most certainly and unapologizingly inciting hatred toward Sufis.
Let’s be frank, those Sufis are in more danger from insane Muslims issuing fatwas or Muslim propaganda groups like CAIR and MPAC spreading their hatred on the net.
Lionheart is extreme, MPACUK is extreme and dangerous.
Why is MPACUK still online?
“They are advocating aggressive jihad in Britain.”
You sure about that? It seems to me that they’re referring to non-violent jihad. Also, note that it says “It is every Muslim’s duty to ensure the establishment of just and representative governments and to wage jihad for it.” “Representative” hardly sounds like a Taliban-style government; indeed, it sounds more like Great Britain’s. By combating the notion that all jihad must be violent, these guys are actually doing more to combat terrorism than a whole platoon of troops.
“Why go after Lionheart and not MPACUK?”
Because he has explicitly called for violent action. I can definitely see him, say, blowing up a mosque. MPACUK, while not exactly admirable, is still not at that point (remember that jihad, even external jihad, is not always violent, or directed against the UK).
Also, the double standard you speak of is actually against Muslims. The Racial and Religious Hatred Act was introduced specifically to combat the Apostasy, and this is the first time I know of that it has been used against a non-Muslim. While it does restrict free speech, it is still one of the most potent and effective tools in the War on Terror (I’ve seen its chilling effect on extremist discourse myself).
“I do believe that socio-economic conditions fuel this sort of thing.”
While that is a common sense explanation, it unfortunately does not fit the evidence (Osama bin Laden, for example, did not exactly grow up in abject poverty). I have a blog posting on the issue here.
Sergei,
Yes, read through MPACUK, when they talk about external jihad, they are talking about fighting. Let’s not forget the allusion to the Qur’anic verse about hypocrites in the Sufi-traitors post. Also, MPACUK tries to recruit mujahideen for the Chechen jihad.
I’m not saying they are organizing jihad against the British (although they very well may be), I’m saying they are organizing agressive jihad in Britain, and therefore should be subject to the same laws as Lionheart.
Because what did he advocate?
Crusade.
And note that his blog description reads thusly:
Again, I don’t agree with many of the things that Lionheart has to say. The BNP is disgusting, for one. But MPACUK is by far more dangerous than Lionheart.
While that is a common sense explanation, it unfortunately does not fit the evidence (Osama bin Laden, for example, did not exactly grow up in abject poverty).
Sergei,
The Bin Laden family and the Bush family are in cahoots.
Controlling the masses takes money.
If you gots the money, exploit it to your advantage.
okay,
[fixed]
Enough of my Tony Montana impersonation.
I’m a smiley-tard.
vermontdave,
I fail to see how that is pertinent to this discussion.
I’m warning you… next time, I’ll not fix your smile!
“The Bin Laden family and the Bush family are in cahoots.”
To the best of my knowledge, the Bush family has no ties whatsoever to the Bin Laden family. They do have ties to the Binladen family, which changed its name from “Bin Laden” after expelling Osama and those loyal to him. The Binladens’ wealth is due largely to their ties to the House of Saud. Osama wants to destroy the House of Saud, which, obviously, would dissolve those ties. Ties to the Binladens do not equate to ties to Bin Laden.
Thanks Sergei, I didn’t know about their name change.
It’s a pretty common coping tactic among the relatives of inhuman monsters. Hitler’s family did the same thing.
Jihad is struggling in the way of Allah. Usually this means doing good deeds and fighting one’s nafs (ego) so that we remove all arrogance from ourselves and become humble.
It’s true that one method of jihad is a physical fight, but this is always a defensive fight – aggression is forbidden in Islam.
Admittedly, the MPAC article in question could have been better worded, but they do mention that a “defensive war” is the “Lesser Jihad” and they also quote the Prophet saying that “The best jihad is that of speaking a word of truth to an unjust ruler”, so I genuinely don’t think they are advocating aggressive jihad, as you suggest.
Shez,
What’s the difference between the lies about “Zionists” on the MPACUK site, their call for the hunt of “Sufi-Zio-Con traitors” and their call for jihad, and what Lionheart says about the Knights Templar and the Crusades and Pakistani Muslims?
If Lionheart is guilty, so is MPACUK.
Remember, Lionheart, too, quotes that “the pen is mightier than the sword.”
(by the way, Shez, read more closely, MPACUK endorses the Chechen mujahideen… inner struggle my ass.)
Terrible story, and it says so much more about Britain than it does about Islamic extremism.
I will be interviewing the blogger Lionheart on my internet radio show on Blog Talk Radio next Thursday, January 17 at 6 pm PST. The show is called Political Vindication Radio, and any of you who would like to call in and offer your thoughts to him personally are welcome to do so by calling in at (646) 652 – 4598
Our radio page is http://www.blogtalkradio.com/politicalvindication
I hope to see some of you there next Thursday…
Sergei;
You say “Because he has explicitly called for violent action.” and “He’s effectively calling for the genocide of the Pakistani-British community, indeed, possibly of all Muslims.” But you do not cite any examples. I read through Lionhearts various postings, he never calls for violence and repeatedly makes disclaimers such as “the pen is mightier than the sword” and explicitly states he is not advocating violence. Nowhere did I find a call for violent action.
I’ve been supporting Lionheart on my blog, but I didn’t know about his interest in the BNP.
Yeah, it’s a shame. He seems pretty enthusiastic about them too
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2007/03/bnp-election-campaign.html
I wonder if he knows about all the Holocaust denial and other crap.
He claims to be anti-nazi,
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2007/10/message-to-neo-n4zis.html
But why bother with the BNP at all?
[comment moved here - konservo]
“But you do not cite any examples.”
I cited a very long example. Nowhere does he bluntly say, “Kill the Pakistanis”, but he does call for a war to be waged against them.
Thanks Konservo, Lionheart is no Nazi or anti-semite, he has spent some time in Israel too. He’s just very Catholic, like my grandmother was. Most of the BNP are not anti-semites either, and they certainly aren’t wasting their energies on trying to stop the Jews, they know Islamic terrorism and creeping Sharia are the real dangers.
One of my best friends, who happens to be Jewish is extremely LEFT-wing, he would call you and I fascists just for watching Fox News; yes, Bobby is a Moon Bat.
Keep in mind that the evil forces are after Lionheart because he helped the cops put a connected drug dealer in prison, then his gang started sending him death threats and then the cops wouldn’t help him.
Local bloggers blogging locally all over the world generally are going to face much more danger because they will always be in their foe’s backyard reporting on everything they do and driving them mad towards revenge.
He’s not just writing about Islam encroaching on Europe and the UK. He’s writing about what a very wealthy and well connected Pakistani Muslim organized crime family is up to in Luton.
Pakistani Muslim Mafia, the Mob.
The ‘Bushies’ would never advocate these legal shenanigans but some of the PIAPS people and Dhimmicrats do and would.
Both ‘The Left’ and ‘The Right’ should be ticked off about this.
We should tell all the Radio Gods about this. Maybe they’ll rant about it on their shows.
We can’t stop, WE MUST NOT STOP fighting for Free Speech and Justice! We will fight for Lionheart!
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
ignore creeping sharia
don’t believe Jihadists
want world domination
.
USpace,
I strongly support free speech, but I also don’t support the neo-Nazis in the BNP (that’s not to say that all of the people in the BNP are neo-Nazis, however Nick Griffin(their leader) most certainly is anti-Semitic and has even praised Farrakan. If there are crazy laws against freedom in Britain they should be applied to big organizations like MPACUK just as much as individuals with blogs.
“If there are crazy laws against freedom in Britain they should be applied to big organizations like MPACUK just as much as individuals with blogs”
Konservo: Agreed, but I would take it further: the law should be applied only to organizations/leaders but not to individuals, especially if they do not call for violence. A lone ‘nutter’ as one called him, who seems to be looking to become a martyr of the Christian sort (to get killed like a Van Gogh or Pim Fortun), and no where, as you recognized, has called for violence on his blog should not even be remotely threatened with arrest. Even a BNP supporter (though I too wish there was a better party in the UK, in an perfect world, perhaps). but being a BNP supporter should not be an immediate association of guilt. Anyways, recognizing that there may be violence in defending one’s country does not mean that one is going to be aggressively seek out violence or practice genocide. It is quite obvious that when he says that he is picking up his sword, he is speaking allegorically, as found in many places in the New Testament.
An organization, with the its number of members, money, and resources are a far greater threat, especially since the MPACUK are brazenly threatening people.
clarification
I mean martyred like Van Gogh or Pim Fortun in the contemporary sense.
I agree with you Konservo, and well said Npabga. Just because Nick Griffin may be infected with the ancient insanity of antisemitism doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about the real dangers of creeping Sharia in Europe and the UK.
If a smoker says “Don’t smoke!”, is that bad advice?
If a rapist says “One should not rape!”, is he wrong?
Hypocritical, but not wrong.
Here’s an interview with Lionheart from Pajamas Media:
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/chesler-chronicles-interview-with.html
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
HAPPY NEW YEAR Infidels
ignore the threat of Jihad
just keep sleeping like sheep
.
The difference between the chatterer ‘Lgf’ and Lionheart is background and character. ‘Lgf’ is more privileged/chattering at the expense of street reality and Lionheart has street reality at the expense of education/articulation/chattering, hence lgf supporters are of a cretain type- usually smug college educated conservatives who have the luxury to lambast all around them, especially those who are on the same side of the fence but are seen to be inferior. i.e lower social, financial, educational standing. Somehow it is then taken as effrontery, the attention that they seem to see as theirs and theirs alone has been usurped by an undesireable- at least the tone of the anti-Lionheart people suggests a smug superiority and arrogance. I would not go to ‘Lgf’ types to find out the barometer of muslim society, what or how muslims think or what islam is about. I would go to Lionheart types who may actually be able to give me practical as well as ideological info on what I can expect walking through a heavily populated muslim area and areas of distinct different islamic identity. That info can only be got from individuals who have spent some time on the street – not by those who travel from A to B in their cars and have no contact with these people on a daily basis for most of their time. The ‘drive-everywheres’ and chattering classes such as ‘Lgf’s ilk have a much more cosseted unrealistic view of threat. Lionheart for his lack of education and chattering has probably more wisdom and experience than ‘Lgf’ and most ‘Lgf‘ supporters – and they resent this. I would pay heed to him before any of you. You all, yes…all, sound very smug…too educated and chattered for your own good with not much wisdom, common sense or humility. When you see that, you know people are full of something(chatter) and it aint good.
In short, your heads are up your arses and you’re full of shit. In essence your little cosy smug cossetted frat house is miffed and your noses have been snubbed. You are hissy fitting that a human being you perceive as inferior is getting more attention. In truth your ego’s are dented. Nothing worse when the gates are opened by treacherous weasels from within, you twats are the enemy within. In contempt- you are fraudsters and liars occupying a cosy perch sniping at those who put their lives on the line. Insidious- you are the worst form of enemy!
celtcrusader.
and yeah i mispelled certain on purpose coz there aint nothin certain about you cretins
and templars-why the fuk not- the situation is the same.maybe he’s the one whos getting real.
That would make a lot more sense if it wasn’t LGF that was giving him the attention in the first place. He attacked them.
Also, I can tell from your dialect (and, to a lesser extent, name) that you’re from across the pond. LGF is primarily based in America, and in America class is not that big an issue. We have no nobility, no landed gentry. While it is not accurate to state that America has no class distinctions, class is almost never actually perceived. In short, you’re projecting your own society onto us.
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