MPs in the United Kingdom have suggested that the best way to handle Iran is for the British government to convince us, the United States of America, to sit down and have a chat with the Islamofascist terror-supporters in Iran.
In a way, this can be seen as a compliment, but also, why is it that we have to do the dirty work?
The Foreign Affairs Committee concluded Iran still had “ambitions” and by 2015 could have gained the ability to quickly produce nuclear weapons.
Its report says existing UN sanctions are not “sufficiently robust” to coax Iran to stop work in the field.
Okay, we know all that, so…
Mike Gapes, chairman of the committee and MP for Ilford South, said: “Based on the evidence we have received and our own visit to Iran, we believe its nuclear ambitions remain.
“Iran must not be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. If it did, it is very likely to lead to a domino effect in the Middle East. This challenge requires the world’s urgent attention.”
It wants the government to use its influence to encourage the Bush administration to change its policy.
(BBC)
Typical.
Well, you know what Nas says… you wet who I want wetted, I wet who you want wetted…
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Hey Umar Lee is calling it quits! I bet it has to do with recent arrests involving his Mosque. I hopoe the FBI has tabs on this guy! Our exposure of him has had it’s effect!
Victory!
http://umarlee.com/2008/03/01/done/#comments
“why is it that we have to do the dirty work?”
We’re America. Get used to it.
The Iran Counter-Proliferation Act
The US “Iran Counter-Proliferation Act” is a pending legislation being rushed in the Senate by the Israeli Lobby and neoconservative supporters. The proposed Act threatens a cultural embargo on all things Iranian. This act along with a proposed third round of U.N. sanctions are marshaled by our Administration against Iranian people. It is irrelevant that IAEA and our own US intelligence agencies have stated that Iran is not developing nuclear bomb and had stopped the process since 2003. Our national experts in nuclear bomb manufacturing know well that Iran is not capable to make nuclear bomb; Iran had not have enriched uranium (80% or higher U-235 to U-238 isotopes). IAEA had stated that Iran has enriched small quantities of natural uranium to less than 5%. This is the enrichment level required for a civilian nuclear power plant.
Then what is the objective of the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act?
The objective of this Act is to pressure Iranian people to stop nuclear fuel cycle activities. The function of nuclear fuel cycle is production of fuel for power plants producing electrical energy and radioactive isotopes for use in medicine, agriculture, and educational research. The present US administration asserts that once Iranian people have learned about use of the fuel production technique for fuel production, it would be a smaller step to enrich the fuel from less than 5% to more than 80% and make nuclear bomb. Thus, the title of the act “counter-proliferation” refers to stopping Iranian people to learn about nuclear physics, nuclear chemistry and engineering. But, Iranian scientists and engineers already know the nuclear science and engineering of uranium fuel cycle.
Our government rationale is comparable to arguing that teaching sciences in our high schools and colleges would give students the knowledge to make bomb. Thus if we follow the purpose of the counter-proliferation logic teaching sciences should be stopped!
Will the act stop Iranian people to advance in science and engineering of nuclear fuel cycle? No. The Act will make life harder for some of the people in Iran. The Act will adversely affect any civilized political rapprochement between our government and Iranian people.
Many experts in international politics suggest:
1. Stop harassing Iranian people, threatening them, and making life harder for the ordinary people.
2. Start talking unconditionally with Iranian government. Our actions only further embed Iranian government into Russian and Chinese spheres of influences.
3. Instability in Iran will drag the entire Middle East into very unstable region. Israel and the United States would not benefit from this instability.
4. Iranians are friendly to the people of the United States; escalation of hostility will change the friendly to very unfriendly people.
5. Israel, backed by the United States, must stop threatening Iran. These threats will adversely affect Israel.
St Michael Traveler,
I think you need to get your facts strait. Iran is threatening Israel not the other way around
Number one on the list of things to do of the Iranian government is to kill all of the Jews. Number two on that list is to have the rest of us on a prayer rug five times a day or we will have to be killed. I think the best solution is that the Iranian government has to be killed as soon as possible.
St Michael Traveler,
If you’re going to post, please get your facts straight. You’re making the rest of us look bad.
“It is irrelevant that IAEA and our own US intelligence agencies have stated that Iran is not developing nuclear bomb and had stopped the process since 2003.”
No, actually the IAEA now believes that the weapons program continued longer than that.
“Our national experts in nuclear bomb manufacturing know well that Iran is not capable to make nuclear bomb; Iran had not have enriched uranium (80% or higher U-235 to U-238 isotopes). IAEA had stated that Iran has enriched small quantities of natural uranium to less than 5%.”
Bull. The only difference between enriching uranium to 5% and enriching it to 80% is that you leave the centrifuge cascade on longer.
“But, Iranian scientists and engineers already know the nuclear science and engineering of uranium fuel cycle.”
You can’t build a centrifuge by memory. If the present program were dismantled, it would still take years to rebuild.
Sergei Andropov:
In response to my statement: “It is irrelevant that IAEA and our own US intelligence agencies have stated that Iran is not developing nuclear bomb and had stopped the process since 2003.”
You said: “No, actually the IAEA now believes that the weapons program continued longer than that.”
Response: Iran can not make or work on nuclear device. She does not have and has not had the required nuclear source materials.
I said: “IAEA had stated that Iran has enriched small quantities of natural uranium to less than 5%.”
You responded: “…is that you leave the centrifuge cascade on longer.”
Response: The complexity of going from 5% to 80% increases exponentially. To produce the minimum quantities of the source material U-235, you would need much larger assembly of the centrifuges. Iran does not have the expertise to produce high enriched source material.
Mr. Andropov, I am asking you to join me to demand international elimination of all nuclear bombs. Nuclear bomb is not a military tool. Our President Harry Truman in 1946 gave this statement about nuclear bomb:” It is a terrible weapon, and it should not be used on innocent men, women and children who have nothing whatever to do with this military aggression. That happens when it is used.” He was referring to using the bomb on Japan.
We failed to control non-nuclear proliferations after the World War II and allowed Israel, Pakistan, India, France England, China and Russia to develop nuclear bombs.
We have a small world. We need to learn to live with each other. Have we not killed enough! How can we call ourselves the civilized nations while we posses nuclear bombs?
President Truman said: “Starting an atomic war is totally unthinkable for rational men.” [Truman, public Papers]
Join us and demand that all nuclear bombs must be eliminated.
See: http://www.geocities.com/stmtraveler/
Yo delusional traveler,
Stop burying your head in the sand. Iran is trying to build a nuke. It will then try to use it against Israel or America. It is a good thing that the good guys have nukes so we can protect the world against Iran, China, and North Korea. I recommend you lay of the LSD it isn’t good for the reasoning skills.
If as you say “Iran can not make or work on nuclear device. She does not have and has not had the required nuclear source materials.” then why did the UN Security Council pass another resolution against them for failing to suspend its enrichment activities. And why is Iran vowing to push ahead with its uranium enrichment activities?
http://online.wsj...
http://www.reuters
http://ap.google
Demanding that all nuclear bombs be eliminated is all fine and nice if you are dealing with people who will act in good faith. Only if you live in a fantasy world could you possibly expect the other countries to dismantle their nukes. It would be an act of suicide should we dismantle ours.
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Iran is enriching uranium at such a rate that within the next 1 – 5 it will have the capability to produce the nuclear weapon.
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(See: 1)) and Iran has, indeed, been working on those centrifuges… they brag about it…
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Please, it’s not like they actually have to develop the methods and procedures from scratch. Plans from N. Korea and Russia are readily available as we speak.
Bwah.
Dear: avideditor
How can we enforce an international elemination of all nuclear bombs?
This is what Iranians want:
Iranian FM calls for complete ban of all nuclear weapons
GENEVA, March 4 (Xinhua) — Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki on Tuesday called for a complete ban of all nuclear weapons through an international convention.
“Now is the time to ban and eliminate all nuclear weapons,” Mottaki told the UN-sponsored Conference on Disarmament.
Nuclear weapons are as illegal as chemical and biological weapons and the illegality of such weapons should be recognized through a legally binding Nuclear Weapons Convention, he said.
According to Mottaki, the 65-state Conference on Disarmament is the only international body that can deal with the issue and conclude such a convention.
He urged the body to establish an Ad Hoc Committee with the mandate to begin multilateral negotiations on such a convention.
There is no doubt that the five nuclear weapon states bear the primary responsibility in such negotiations, and pending the conclusion of that convention, he added.
As for recent developments in Iran’s nuclear program, Mottaki said a recent report of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had confirmed that there had been no diversion in the peaceful nuclear activities of Iran.
The IAEA report of Feb. 22 has clearly and manifestly declared that all remaining issues about Iran’s nuclear program had been resolved, and that Iran’s answers had been “consistent with the agency’s findings,” Mottaki said.
Delusional Traveler,
If you believe that I have a bridge I want to sell you.
“Iran can not make or work on nuclear device. She does not have and has not had the required nuclear source materials.”
First of all, that is completely and totally irrelevant to my point. The IAEA does say that Iran’s program may have continued longer than had been thought. As for Iran not having nuclear materials, that’s a kind of peculiar assertion in light of the fact that Iran is currently putting together a whole nuclear energy industry.
“The complexity of going from 5% to 80% increases exponentially. To produce the minimum quantities of the source material U-235, you would need much larger assembly of the centrifuges. Iran does not have the expertise to produce high enriched source material.”
Again, please educate yourself before making this kind of statement. The hardest part of any nuclear program is designing the centrifuges. Once that is done, connecting them together into a centrifuge cascade is child’s play. Iran is currently capable of producing highly enriched uranium. Nobody who knows anything about nuclear weapons production disputes this. If you want to learn about clandestine nuclear programs, I strongly recommend the book The Bomb in My Garden, by Dr. ahdi Obeidi.
“Mr. Andropov, I am asking you to join me to demand international elimination of all nuclear bombs. Nuclear bomb is not a military tool.”
A laudable goal, but an impractical one. The only defense against a nuclear arsenal is another nuclear arsenal. So long as nuclear power continues to be one of mankind’s sources of energy, it will be possible to build nuclear arsenals. Therefore, there must be some kind of deterrent. That is not to say, however, that I am opposed to the disarmament of the existing nuclear powers; I think that all such weapons should be placed in the custody of the UN.
I wouldn’t leave my cat in the custody of the UN much less a nuclear arsenal.
I didn’t mean yet. There definitely have to be some major reforms, first.
Those major reforms are never going to happen.
Sergei Andropov said: “I think that all such weapons should be placed in the custody of the UN.” “There definitely have to be some major reforms, first.”
I think we are going some place with this discussion.
1. The purpose for management of nuclear source materials is not to allow diversion for making bomb. Many of our scientists during the area 1945-1953 had suggested creation of an international management, such as IAEA, for fuel cycle, i.e. mining and milling of uranium, enrichment process, fuel fabrication, waste management of spent fuel. The management and inspection would not be subject to a veto power by any nation.
This idea was not followed by Presidents Truman or Eisenhower. Stalin had started his own nuclear bomb manufacturing. Atomic bomb leads to enhanced nuclear bomb (hydrogen bomb) creation. The cold war was followed. Let us say we all failed to manage this monster called nuclear bomb. The monster will not go away.
I agree with you that UN has many problems. Veto power has, I suggest, paralyzed UN. Remember we have one small earth to protect! We are not only Americans, but also member of this blue planet, we or our fathers and mothers had come from someplace else. We are the citizens of this earth.
Melo: What do you suggest we should do to improve UN?
Scrap it. It is bloated and corrupt beyond belief. Veto powers are not what has ruined the UN. Moral relativism and the self-serving bureaucracy that has been complicit in everything from embezzlement of oil for food money to peacekeeping sex scandals have tarnished the UN beyond repair.